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Jcon · Jun 06, 2007, 07:15 PM // 19:15

Wanna fix it make prot spirit work like this....

Prot spirit does the same thing it does now unless your max health is below 200 health, in which case prot spirit has no effect. granted elementalists would pair stoneflesh, with prot spirit to keep it, but atleast it's alittle more difficult to farm now.

Remember in the next game they plan to have pve only skills which god knows how overpowered these will be lol.

attackofthecold · Jun 06, 2007, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by Jcon

Wanna fix it make prot spirit work like this....

Prot spirit does the same thing it does now unless your max health is below 200 health, in which case prot spirit has no effect. granted elementalists would pair stoneflesh, with prot spirit to keep it, but atleast it's alittle more difficult to farm now.

Remember in the next game they plan to have pve only skills which god knows how overpowered these will be lol.

This would make it useless for countering spikes in pvp and pve. Often time i play and i get down to 60dp, at which point i only have ~250 health. Thus the spikes would own me after 50 damage

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Originally Posted by sky sliverwolf

K all A-net has to do to get rid of bots is get rid of the grim cesta.

Ok so they take out the -50 hp offhand, now you have 105 hp which works fine for the new SoA and Shielding hands monk. After 1 hit with SoA it will absorb 10 damage. So you only have 5 damage each cast which can be healed when you cast Shielding hands.

phool · Jun 07, 2007, 12:33 PM // 12:33

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Originally Posted by attackofthecold

If the bot owner saw the update as soon as it happened it would take them maybe 5-10 mins to edit all there bots to do the new run skills instead. Or maybe a bit longer than that to add in buying the new skills. If its done the real way it would take maybe 10-20mins to edit it. So no, it wouldn't set them back at all.

Actually to run stoneflesh aura+SoJ would require buying 2 campaigns which no commerical bot owner would be willing to do if they could possibly help it. It may not affect 'casual' botters which are normal players botting while they sleep or whatever as much. Of course they could rely on a different method of killing to SoJ but almost nothing else can be used on as basic programs.

There are e/me Factions only botters who farm kirin and dragon moss for example, not all would be affected. The prophecies only 55s in citadel on the other hand would be require a major overhaul at the very least.

Golestandt · Jun 07, 2007, 01:08 PM // 13:08

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Originally Posted by attackofthecold

This would make it useless for countering spikes in pvp and pve. Often time i play and i get down to 60dp, at which point i only have ~250 health. Thus the spikes would own me after 50 damage

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Originally Posted by Jcon

Prot spirit does the same thing it does now unless your max health is below 200 health

So when you have 60% dp and your max health is 250 you'll still take 25 damage regardless if your health is 250 or 75, since it's based on max health and not current health.

If your below 200 hp (or whichever amount is appropriate) PS becomes overpowered and looses its effect, I like this idea.

Burning Blade · Jun 07, 2007, 05:23 PM // 17:23

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PS need a nerf

Please stop trying to take any more fun out of our legit player's plays due to your incompetence in dealing with bots.

Beta Sprite · Jun 07, 2007, 07:59 PM // 19:59

I don't like the idea of nerfing the skill. I'd rather they made it hard to farm anything automatically. Make it require intelligence to get to the enemies (like getting to the 'Destroy the Ungrateful Slaves' quest), and if you can get to easy mobs with little trouble, make them more random and dangerous to the common builds (like putting some Shatter Enchantment casters in the mobs outside of Granite).

If they were going to nerf PS, the only way to do it without killing the skill for normal use would be to make it only reduce damage down to ~20-30 damage. That way, 55s would... Meh, I guess they would use 200hp builds with SoA and regen... Yeah, I don't think there is a 'good' way to nerf PS to stop farming.

My vote is on increasing the intelligence required to get to the farming spots.

Miss Filth · Jun 07, 2007, 08:37 PM // 20:37

I personally think that the 55 monk is a great build - its very clever in the way it works. However, I do not think you can blame bots for "the economy" as i find all the pricing fairly reasonable - FoW armour, for example, being the best armour in the game, is the most expensive, by far.

I also think that people should stop complaining about bots.

Protective spirit isnt the root of all evil in my opinion, it is just a good skill which is used frequently by pve farmers. 90% reduction of damage still means 10 hits would kill you. And anyway - I think team farming is a lot more fun.

And, just think a sec, how long has the 55 monk build been around? it was around when I first started playing 16 months ago. So u would think that, if anet was unhappy with PS, they would have nerfed it in the (at least) 16 months that I have been playing and it hasnt been nerfed.

And I think ther is still an extremely old build which used protective bond.

attackofthecold · Jun 07, 2007, 10:36 PM // 22:36

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Originally Posted by Golestandt

So when you have 60% dp and your max health is 250 you'll still take 25 damage regardless if your health is 250 or 75, since it's based on max health and not current health.

If your below 200 hp (or whichever amount is appropriate) PS becomes overpowered and looses its effect, I like this idea.

Eh that is true -.- Was tired when i posted that :P But if your health is ~250 and you take a deep wound which takes off 20% of your health. You would get down to 200 health. Which would make it worthless =/

Age · Jun 07, 2007, 10:49 PM // 22:49

Protective Spirit is fine as it is it doesn't any changes to it what so ever.Anet will never touch PoS if they do there will be hell to pay.

Waldir · Jun 07, 2007, 11:51 PM // 23:51

Want to make it harder for 55's? just get rid of the -50 off hand and make the runes not take health away if they are the same, for example if u have 2 healing runes u will only lose 75 health insted of 150, but than again i really dotn want the 55 build nerfed casue i use it myself :P

Melody Cross · Jun 08, 2007, 04:08 AM // 04:08

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Look around everyone. Where are we? What sub-forum is this that we are posting in?

You may not like farming builds. you may not like playing them or the fact that they are in the game. But there is an obvious market for farming, and solo farming too. Farmers are in every MMO I've ever played, in most that i've ever heard of (and probably all of them, I just didn't see any threads and stuff about farmers).

Why nerf monk farms? It won't stop botters. They'll just move on to something else. Next you'll be saying that warriors are too easy to farm with, so they should be nerfed.

I don't know the answer to bots. Neither do you. Neither does Anet or any other MMO. if any of us did, there wouldn't be any bots.

Please stop calling for nerfs to Prot Spirit though. The ones you are suggesting are just...they'd break it. They'd break it really really bad. And the reason why it is so essential to PvP is because we have nothing else that comes close to doing what it does as efficiently as it can. Not even SB.

You ought not be calling for monk farming nerfs anyway. It really--honestly--will not solve this problem. Take one look around this forum. there are people making 3k in gold alone in 10 minutes...with no monk skills on their bar. Nerfing monks--or monk farming--is just treating a symptom. We should be seeking a cure for the botter disease.

I respect your anger about bots and I share it. but you are pointing your rage in the wrong direction. Instead of posting threads like this, help Anet. Report bots. Think up ways to catch them and prove they are bots.

I guess thats it.

GGs

MercenaryKnight · Jun 08, 2007, 04:58 AM // 04:58

If they do nerf protective spirit, millions will buy those golden eggs to raise attribute to 1 and use protective bond like they used it before, or figure out how to use an outside source (bonder with protective bond spamming blessed signet with essence bond and a bip to keep energy up). Someone will always figure out a new way to farm.

[email protected] · Jun 08, 2007, 05:02 AM // 05:02

If your ingenious theory ever comes true, I'll quit and laugh at ANERF.

Anet nerfing PS would be like, nerfing itself....

Solus Spartan · Jun 08, 2007, 05:15 AM // 05:15

If Anet wants to nerf PS, I demand terms.

If PS is nerfed, Gaile Gray gets fired, thats fair?